Ww Greener Shotguns Serial Numbers
WW Greener 1917 List #37 Guns Catalog (England) $14.95 - 21 Pages; WW Greener 1918 - No. 39 Gun Catalog (England) $16.95 - 57 Pages; WW Greener 1920 Sporting Guns and Accessories Catalog $14.95 - 41 Pages; WW Greener 1923 Shots from a Greener Gun No. 1 $14.95 - 20 Pages. Manufacturer: W.W. Greener Boxlock with original 2 3/4' proofs! Incredible original case color and now on sale John Wayne fan? John loved Greener Shotguns Model: None Serial Number: 65453 Ejectors: No Barrels: 30 Barrel Type: Steel Action: Boxlock Gauge: 12 gauge Stock Comb: 1 1/2 Stock Heel: 2 3/16 Stock Cast: 1/4 LOP: 14 3/8' (14 1/16'.
Contents.History The history of W.W. Greener begins in 1829, when, who had been working in for, a prominent gun maker, returned to his hometown of and founded the W. Greener company. In November 1844, he determined that most of the materials and components he used for gun making came from, and his business was being hampered by the distance between the two towns. Hence, he moved his business from Newcastle to Birmingham.During the period of 1845-58, W.
Greener was appointed to make guns for. Money obtained from supplying with two-groove rifles enabled the company to erect a factory on 'Rifle Hill', in 1859.
It was around this time that the company began to really prosper.Greener was a firm believer in the concept of and refused to make any. Hence, his son, struck out a line of his own (the W.W. Greener company) and produced his first breechloader in 1864. When William Greener died in 1869, the two companies were amalgamated together as the W.W. Greener Company, and carried on by William Wellington Greener.
William Wellington Greener was responsible for several innovations, as described in the sections below, and it was on the strength of his inventions that the company became famous. Greener, the company established offices in Birmingham, London, and.William Wellington Greener was succeeded by two of his sons, Harry Greener and Charles Greener. Leyton Greener, Harry's son and fourth generation took over as Chairman in 1951 and today the company has a fifth generation, Graham Greener, as one of its directors.Production Production of Greener weapons started in 1829, when W. Greener began manufacturing his muzzleloaders. Greener was the first to discard vent holes in breeches.
He was also instrumental in improving the hardness and quality of barrels, by using more steel in their manufacture. He also improved the and his model was the one adopted by the Scottish Fisheries, and is still in use today. His greatest innovation was the invention of the expanding rifle bullet.In 1845-59, W. Greener was appointed to make sporting guns for the Prince Consort.
In the 1851 London Exhibition, the company received the highest award 'for guns and barrels perfectly forged and finished'. In 1853 and 1855, the company received Silver medals at the and Exhibitions. The company's products were also sold for as much as 75 pounds, in the Southern states of America, before the Civil War.Since W. Greener did not believe in breechloaders, his son, W.W.
Greener started his own factory. In 1864, he produced his first patent, an under-lever pin-fire half-cocking breechloader with a top bolt entering the barrel underneath the top rib.When W. Greener died in 1869, his son W.W.
Greener merged the two companies into one. His next patent was the self-acting striker, followed by a famous cross-bolt mechanism produced as a single top bolt, in 1865.
In 1873, this cross-bolt mechanism was combined with the bottom holding down bolts to produce the 'Treble Wedge-Fast' breech action. The treble wedge-fast was one of the strongest breech actions ever invented and was widely copied by other manufacturers, after the patent rights expired.The introduction of in 1874 is regarded as W.W.
Greener's greatest achievement. It was this invention that made the firm's name famous. A discussion about this is in the section below.In 1876, the firm introduced the Treble Wedge-Fast Hammerless Gun, otherwise known as the 'Facile Princeps'. This gun was cocked by the dropping of the barrels. This action was one of the strongest ever produced.
Greener company restarted production of Facile Princeps guns in 1998.In 1880, the firm produced a self-acting ejector for its guns, followed by the 'Unique' ejector gun. These guns were designed to eject the spent cartridges when the gun was opened.
Manufacture of the 'Unique' ejectors stopped during the Second World War, and the company has recently begun to manufacture them again.In 1895, W.W. Greener invented the world's first Humane Killer, a gun designed to kill cattle, sheep, pigs and horses, quickly and easily. This instrument was adopted by the War Office, for use in the Veterinary, Remount and Butchering Departments, and by the Admiralty for its Victualling yards. The instrument was also modified to use.310 caliber cartridges. After several years, the models became obsolete in the 1960s and ammunition for the older models was impossible to obtain. Recently though, the company was asked to manufacture another model and hence, the Humane Killer Mk II was introduced.
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This new gun fires a round.Choke bores The introduction of choke bores was largely responsible for the fame of the W.W. Greener name. The invention of choke boring is usually attributed to American gunsmiths. The first known patents for choke boring were granted to a Mr., an American inventor and gunsmith, (, Improvement In Revolving Fire-Arms, April 10, 1866; and, Improvements In Detachable Muzzle For Shot-Guns, dated July 14, 1868.) This was followed by a patent claim in London by Mr. Pape, an English Gun maker, whose patent application was six weeks too late to the 1866 Roper patent.
Long, in his book 'American Wildfowling', credits a Mr. Jeremiah Smith of Southfield, as the gunsmith who first discovered the concept, as far back as 1827.While American gunsmiths were the pioneers of the choke boring system, they had not really progressed beyond the elementary stage and their guns would lead, throw irregular patterns and not shoot straight.W.W. Greener's first intimation of the choke formation was derived from instructions given in a customer's letter, in early 1874. The customer's instructions described a choke, but did not give any details on the size or shape, or how it was to be obtained. Greener had to conduct many experiments to determine the perfect shape and size of a choke for a given bore.
After that, he developed tools to produce the choke bore profile correctly and smoothly. The system of choke boring that he pioneered was so successful that it was later adopted by other manufacturers and hence, some authorities give him the credit for inventing the concept.In December 1874, the first mention of Greener's choke bore appeared in an article by J.H. Walsh, the Editor of Field magazine.
The article mentioned the extraordinary shot pattern that the Greener shotgun could produce. The next issue came with an advertisement from W.W. Greener, stating that the firm would guarantee that their new guns would shoot a closer pattern than any other manufacturer. The advertisement claimed that Greener 12 bores were warranted to shoot an average pattern of 210, when the best 12 bore gun in the London Gun Trial of 1866 could only average 127.
Naturally, the advertisement generated considerable controversy, especially from rival manufacturers of cylinder guns, who refused to believe the numbers quoted in the advertisement.In order to resolve the controversy, the Editors of Field magazine decided to conduct a public trial in 1875. The London Trial of 1875 pitted choke bores and cylinder guns of various manufacturers in four categories—Class 1 (large bores, any boring), Class 2 (Choke bores, 12 gauge), Class 3 (Guns of English boring or Cylinders) and Class 4 (Small gauges, any boring). The choke bored guns performed better than the cylinder guns in all these tests, and W.W. Greener choke bore guns won the class 1, class 2 and class 4 categories. Greener Choke bores also won at the London Gun Trials of 1877 and 1879, and the Chicago Field Gun Trial of 1879. The results of these trials were responsible for making the W.W.
Greener name famous.Fake Greener guns During the 1880s, as the company became well known, several small manufacturers in and attempted to manufacture copies of Greener weapons. In several cases, the name was misleadingly similar: Greenen, Horace Greener, Albert Greener, A. Greener, W.H. Greener, A.H. Are several examples of names of spurious weapons.
Note that J.H. Greener and Albert Greener were two brothers of W W Greener and both brothers also made guns. Most J H Greener and a few Albert Greener guns are genuine.In other cases, the maker would print 'Greener' in bold gilt letters on the top rib and their own name in small characters, elsewhere on the gun. When one of these makers was challenged in Belgian courts, the defence advanced the theory that the weapons were using the Greener cross-bolt system and hence, the larger letters were intended to refer to the system, and not the maker of the weapon.Due to the large number of forgeries, the W.W. Greener company offers to authenticate genuine Greener weapons for a small fee.In popular culture Wilbur Jonas, the general store owner, offers to sell Matt Dillon four Greener shotguns at an attractive price, in 'Renegade White', episode 4.30 of.Episode S5E1 of (1959), Earp is confronted by 'Shotgun Gibbs' who is armed with a Greener loaded with a rifled slug. In season 5 episode 10 of Have Gun Will Travel, Ben Jalisco (Charles Bronson), killed a guard while escaping so he could get “his Greener”.In the film, John Wayne's character asks his estranged wife, Martha (played by ), if she brought his 'Greeners, the double-barrels'.
Wayne then proceeds to open a gun case revealing matching shotguns and his favorite derringer, 'Betsy'. There is also a reference in the 1973 film where Wayne is in a box car with several prisoners and one says, 'You're not going to leave that old Greener on cock are you?' .In the Blood Bond book series by, most shotguns and sporting guns are referred to as Greeners.In the 1975 classic, Robert Shaw's Quint character uses a modified.Bibliography Teasdale-Buckle, G.T., Experts on Guns and Shooting, Sampson Low, Marston & Co.Greener, William Wellington, The Gun and Its Development, Ninth Edition, Bonanza Books NY, 1910Greener, Graham N., The Greener Story, Quiller Press, 2000See also.References.
George,The address Ned gave you is the admin. Centre of what's left of the once great Greener enterprise of Birmingham.Graham Greener is a helpful and obliging chap and has the old company records; from the serial number he'll be able to tell you when the gun was made, what the quality grade was, what the original dimensions were, and how much it cost. They probability is he will also have the name of the original purchaser. He makes a small charge for blowing the dust off the old books and sharpening up the quill pen but it isn't much.You refer to the gun as a rifle, but from the rest of your information it sounds very much like a shotgun and I'm taking it as one.
Ww Greener Shotgun Serial Number Lookup
The term 'sleeved' means that the original barrels have been replaced, and the other Proof markings indicate that this was done in Birmingham within the modern era, certainly post WWII. I doubt Graham will have a handle on who did the job, there were (and are) lots of people who did such things.On the face of it she should be perfectly safe to shoot with modern CIP 70 mm loads. Greeners guns were always soundly designed, very strongly made and well put together; however you must take the old girl to a competent gunsmith who can give a professional assessment. He can measure the bores against what they were at Proof, check for dinks and dents that amateurs miss, and examine all the other relevant bits on the gun.If he does give you the green light. Have a lot of fun!EugPS If you email some good clear pics to me at I'll paste them up for you. Sharpness of image is a must in these cases, some very significant info can be gained from some very wee markings!For my part, I mind my belly very studiously, and very carefully; for I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly, will hardly mind anything else.'
Doctor Johnson quoted by Boswell. I took the shotgun to a local gunshop as we don’t have gunsmiths in Sydney and he told me that I should only fire 1 1/8 to be safe as it doesn’t have proof marks which has confused me moreAnd took advice from the forum members and this is the email I received from graham greener and im still not sure if its safe to fire or not, one photo of the underside of barrels I saw the letter/number J4 if that means anything, hopefully someone can clear things up for me.From a description in the catalogue of 1892 – a model no. 28 – a plainly finished hammerless shotgun price - £16 – 16s – 0d (16 guineas or sixteen pound and sixteen shillings, 20 shillings to the pound). W W Greener gun no.
33934 has a Facile Princeps action, it is a 12 bore non-ejector double barrelled shotgun, originally with 28 inch Damascus barrels, stock dimensions when made were 2 by 14-3/8 inches. It was finished on 2nd August 1893. The person ordering the gun is not recorded.Value depends on condition and whether it is ‘in proof’ and safe to use. The barrels have been sleeved and it has been re-proved but that does not necessarily mean it is ‘in proof’. Bore measurements will need to be made by a competent gunsmith who should be able to determine whether the gun is safe to use with cartridges no longer than 2-3/4 inches (70mm).Assuming it to be ‘in proof’ and safe to use than as a sleeved non-ejector shotgun it would fetch a couple of hundred pounds at auction in UK. I attach some notes regarding condition and value which I hope will be helpful.Well what to say about the gun shop guys advice? George the marks you see on the barrel flats and the action body are the Birmingham Proof marks.
BNP = Birmingham Nitro Proof. The.729' figure indicates the internal bore dimension in inches at the time of Proof.The 'competent gunsmith' needs to mike up the bores and compare them to the original figure; if they are the same or near enough you are over one hurdle. If on his visual examination of the rest of the action he sees no problem, you are in the home straight and good to go.In general the gun looks to be in OK condition; not cosmetically great, but basically sound. I suspect the gun suffered a certain amount of neglect after it was sleeved; the new barrels appear to show corrosion pits and a not very wonderful blacking job. Where the barrels join the standing breech (the sticky up part) the joint looks very tight, just as it should be. When you push the top lever across you'll see another Greener innovation, much copied since, called the Greener crossbolt.
This added extra strength and security to what was an already strong action. The side safety is another Greener invention (well maybe development would be more accurate), I like it and find it very convenient, but some folk who have only ever used tang safeties find it a bit odd.
The fore end looks to be a Deeley latch type; often WWG used the Deeley and Edge snap type.The woodwork is pretty plain without any figure. 16 Guineas at that time was a handsome amount of money. The gun making artisans in Birmingham earned very good wages, but for an average working stiff or agricultural labourer that would represent about 4 months salary, possibly more.The Greener 'Facile Princeps' action was designed by Grahams famous ancestor as an improvement over the standard box lock action of the day, and in some ways it is, but it's not a cheap option and hasn't been used since. Here'a description from WWGs 'The Gun and it's Development'.All in all if I could get it for 200 quid I'd bite your hand off, it'd make a great project gun.So find a proper gunsmith and get the full Monty from him.RegardsEugFor my part, I mind my belly very studiously, and very carefully; for I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly, will hardly mind anything else.' Doctor Johnson quoted by Boswell.Last edited by on Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:12 am, edited 3 times in total. Molloy:Could you possibly clear something up for me.The Greener as presented in the pictures is said to be 'sleeved.'
Is this 'sleeved' an internal job or have the barrels been cut off in front of the block and new ones attached, and restruck (I would think) at that point? I understand many London shops can do this and make it almost undistinguishable to the naked eye. I also understand that Mr.
Teauge can do a simular operation but he bores out the entire internal and adds a very thin stanless tube full length of the barrel.I suspect this is a verbage problem and excuse me for that but to me sleeved would be the internal method used by Teauge et al.Thanks for listening in advance.Bruce A. Hering, NSCA Level IIIProgram Coordinator/InstructorShotgun Team CoachSoutheastern Illinois CollegeACUI 2012 Div.
II National ChampionsSCTP 2012 Collegiate Division National ChampionACUI 2013 Div II RU National ChampionsEtc. Bruce,You've got the mechanical essentials of sleeving right, but not the nomenclature. If the barrels of a gun are damaged, they can be cut off just in front of the chamber, and the remaining breech end used as a monobloc, with new barrel tubes fitted into it.
If done correctly, the result is just as good and reliable as a gun that came out of the factory with monoblock barrels. There is nothing weak about sleeved barrels.
They are just as good as new as the Proof process indicates. You can see the word 'SLEEVED' stamped on the barrels.The cosmetic aspects can vary however.
A top man in London or Birmingham can produce an absolutely invisible join; but often enough you can see a witness mark. Although George's pics aren't super clear I think you see that the right barrel is showing an annular ring about an inch forward of the barrel flats.Nigel Teague's process is called 'lining' and is recognised by the Proof House; any work of his will be stamped by them as 'LINED'.
Nigel is an ex Rolls Royce aero engineer of some standing. He takes the existing tubes and bores them out for their full length, leaving a very thin wall; obviously a ticklish operation. Steel liners are then inserted and glued into place. I don't know anything about the adhesive side of things, and I think Nigel keeps it under his hat.Over time there have been some reported failures with lining. What appears to happen is a sort of wrinkling in the internal tube. Nothing nasty or catastrophic, but clearly an issue. AFAIK the process has been discontinued.
It's big advantage over sleeving was the retention of the original guns outer appearance and handling qualities. A really nicely figured Damascus barrel set looked and felt just the same, kept it's original profile and could be used with modern ammo. With sleeving you get what you get by the way of profiling unless you are very picky / lucky. Some sleeved guns have an odd 'dead' feel, reflecting the fact that the weight distribution has changed.EugFor my part, I mind my belly very studiously, and very carefully; for I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly, will hardly mind anything else.'
Doctor Johnson quoted by Boswell. Mr Molloy:Thank you so much for the reply.Several years ago I was looking at a rather nice game gun that was listed on line. I did the inspection thing and when the gun arrived and I put it up it felt like 'pusshing a pig.' On closer inspection it was found (by myself and checked by a very good SxS gunsmith) to be sleeved. The barrels were way off in weight and I think taper.
I called the folks that had the gun and asked if they knew it had been sleeved and they said it had not. I could see it and some riffiling in the barrel exterior.
It was/would have been a great 2.5' 6 lb 3 oz game gun had the work been done more correctly to the origional.Gun went back.Again, Thank you.Bruce A. Hering, NSCA Level IIIProgram Coordinator/InstructorShotgun Team CoachSoutheastern Illinois CollegeACUI 2012 Div. II National ChampionsSCTP 2012 Collegiate Division National ChampionACUI 2013 Div II RU National ChampionsEtc. NITRO HUNTER shotguns were not made by Belknap Hardware of Louisville,KY. Belknap was or is a large wholesale sporting goods dealer. Nitro Hunter shotguns were made by one of three major gun makers, Crescent Fire Arms Company of Norwich,CT (1892 to1030+),W.H. Davenport Arms Company also located in Norwich,CT (1878 to 1910) and Hopkins & Allen Arms Company also located in Norwich,CT (1868 to 1915).
There are serial number-year made tables for Crescent made and Hopkins & Allen made but none that I know of for Davenport. WE )I) will need to know the serial number, type of shotgun (single barrel or double barrel, outside hammer or hammerless) of the gun to determine when it was made. The gun is what I call a 'Trade Brand Name' name shotgun. That is aninexpensive but well made shotgun made by a major maker for and was sold by a wholesale sporting goods dealer, a retail chain store or an independent seller (your local hardware store who chose the name to go on the gun.
If the gun is a single barrel it can be identified by the following: Crescent-the serial number will be located on the bottom tang just behind the trigger guard, Davenport—the barrel will be attached by a screw in hinge pin removable for either side, right or left of the receiver frame. More information available on request.